A Samsung vs Apple Argument

I have been an Apple follower and believer for many, many years. But when it actually comes to evangelizing about Apple I am usually one of the coolest cats on the block. I never preach to friends or acquaintances about Apple’s products’ attributes. I simply use my devices, others see it, ask questions, and either come on board, or not. No sales pitches necessary. I happen to think Apple has superior devices compared to others, but I perfectly respect people’s choice to buy another brand. Sincerely.

So I was most surprised last week when a casual chat with someone I had never met before turned into a brief but caustic mini-argument about Samsung vs Apple. I didn’t recognize myself. I actually started arguing with someone about Apple. This had never happened to me before.

It started with a simple question. Why didn’t I choose a Samsung phone over my iPhone? Before I could respond, she added: “take a look at my Samsung (it was Galaxy SII I how  believe). It has lots of things an iPhone doesn’t have.” And she proceeded to show me how she could erase a gmail message directly without archiving it (as on iPhone) Huh!?! Did she really think that Samsung was better because it did gmail differently?

I retorted: “I don’t use gmail that often – I wasn’t aware that you could actually erase an email in gmail” and then quickly added, “but I don’t think Samsung isn’t innovative. What has Samsung invented?”

“They’ve invented lots of things – look at their new products – the Galaxy Note, the Slate!”

Ok, I’d heard about the Note but I had to admit I never heard of this Slate she was talking about (now I’m wiser). She went on and on about how revolutionary the Slate was, how it has a full windows version on it yadda, yadda. OK, so of course I countered with the iPad. I mean who could beat the iPad right? I mentioned it had sold 33 million units since April 2010 and that the Android tablets had sold only a few million (this was a guess on my part based on what I had read).

“I mean we’d have to see how many Slates would Samsung sell. I only know the Galaxy Tabs have not been selling that well compared with the iPad.” I offered.

“Well it only just went on sale,” she responded. “And if we’re talking sales then I could mention that the iPhone is not the best seller in its category. Samsung phones outsell it.“

She got me. Of course I can’t argue about superiority on the basis of sales if it applies to one device but not to another. I tried to counter with an Apple-makes-more-despite-market-share but couldn’t get a word in edgewise.

“And besides”, she pummeled on, “what innovation are you talking about with Apple. Did you hear how they manipulated the photo of the Samsung in their court fight?” She was referring to this incident, which I only vaguely remembered, and in any case not enough to counter with anything.

I then began what would be a weak attempt to bring up the fact that Samsung’s designs were suspiciously similar to Apple’s, especially since the advent of the iPhone in 2007 but she brushed me off quickly, too driven by her own passion for Samsung.

This could have continued in a poisonous direction, but luckily she had no desire to continue. I suspect she lost interest in me as a person, having already sized me up. Drat. We ended on a polite note, with me conceding politely with a “we’ll see if Samsung disrupts Apple at their own game.”

Afterwards I thought a lot about why it had riled me so. I guess it was a combination of different things. In part it was the relentless provocation of my partner, in part it was because it made me feel almost at a loss, at a disadvantage, despite the fact that I spend way too much time reading tech blogs. Not only should I know a lot about this topic, but I should be able to communicate lucidly. Ultimately I felt frustrated I could not convey an intelligent way of reasoning in defense of Apple.

I wish I had pointed out the reasons why personally believe in Apple. I should have mentioned the ecosystem, the ease of use, the aesthetics and the holistic Apple experience in which I had already invested. The way the iPod changed my life and opened up the way to a hobby I never knew would be important to me.

Oh well.

Have you ever argued with someone about Apple or one of its products? What should I have done? I’d love to hear feedback…

  • Cookie Monster

    For example, I know Samsung has sold more smartphones than Apple with the iPhone, but it must be taken in consideration that there are a greater number pf Android debices than there are with iOS installed. So the sales argument should be more valid for you, and the iPad vs Galaxy Tab sales are a good example of people’s preference, but it doesn’t mean superiority of any of these devices.

    Android is for people who doesn’t want or hate Apple, or for people that can’t afford an Apple device. As simple as that. Apple is still better for now, but Android is a great substitute and it is getting power and increasing its reach. Personally, I prefer Apple, although I can say Android is great too.

  • jfutral

    Take heart. The iPhone actually is the best seller in its category. No single Samsung device outsells the iPhone. Samsung sells more smart phones than Apple (and this only the last reported quarter) because they sell more smart phone platforms, not just Android, but also Windows and Bada based smart phones. I seem to recall some esoteric OS, but I can’t remember the name. Probably not significant.

    I also wouldn’t say Samsung has “invented” anything. They are pretty much a market follower as well. Even Samsung phones before iPhone were general copies of the Motorolas and Blackberries (probably a few Sony Ericsons, too. I liked my old one), the only companies making anything distinctive before the iPhone.

    I wouldn’t worry about it. Such discussions are largely unproductive and a waste of time. The fact she needed to start off on the offense shows more about her own insecurities than yours. That really has nothing to do with whether Samsung is better than Apple or Apple is better than Samsung. You are better off without her as a part of your life. Sadly, you will never get that time back. next time just change the subject and ask them about their favourite cookie recipe, or whatever happens to be your favourite food to cook. You’ll both be better for it.

    Joe

  • Shrey

    well..starting off with this argument, i really hate samsung products and love apple products..i don’t have any personal differences with samsung though.its a great company, growing very fast, the main reason for that they have targeted mass market.
    apple on the other hand is an up-market company, which does not deal in mass-market instead people run for their simplicity..
    anything that apple does is great, because they have a great research team, and great means just great for them..
    samsung on the other hand is a quick-learner, as a company..Earlier it had issues dealing with people’s choice, but after following nokia’s footsteps in phone market and apple’s in tablet market, they are making a mark..
    I really don’t like android as its more prone to attacks and it is slow, as compared to ios..
    when i bought my first apple product 3 years ago, i didn’t know apple’ UI can be that interesting.
    but folks, i love my macbook pro, its awesome has a great feel-good factor with it..
    its everything one can dream of in a laptop.
    its 3 years old, but still it is faster than a whole lot of laptops out there.
    There is nothing like any anti-virus in it, it does not hang..
    it is simple to use, has a great screen and i can also type easily when there is no light..
    plus it has a great camera and graphics card for video chat and to run games..

    what more u expect from a laptop..
    thats why i fell in love with apple and their products, and there is a popular saying once an apple, always an apple…!

    i am a proud apple fanboy now.
    i dont hate android for this reason though.
    being very frank, i loved the new windows 7.5 mango, and i am not shy to admit that, because it is worth appreciation.
    I might purchase a windows phone soon, as it is tough to afford an iphone, for me.
    i may even buy a very fast android phone, which has a sure shot ICS update(i liked ICS).
    its not about hating samsung, its that they really copy, and if you haven’t used any apple product in your life, you haven’t lived life yet !

  • Peter

    The iPhone actually is the best seller in its category. No single Samsung device outsells the iPhone.

    First, no matter how often you repeat it, you’re wrong.

    Second, if the number of sales means it’s better, does that mean that Windows is better than Mac OS X? After all, there are far more Windows PCs sold than Mac OS X PCs. Does McDonalds make the best hamburger? After all, they sell more hamburgers than anyone else in the world!

    The problem with the revenue argument is–so what? Why do I care, as a consumer, how much money the company I bought the product from made from me? Is my Mercedes better than your BMW because Mercedes-Benz made more money from me than BMW did?

    I bring up the revenue argument when I hear the “Apple is doooooomed!” arguments, sure. The fact that Apple makes good money selling iPhones, iPads, and Macs is a good thing for the company. But does that somehow make their products better?

    By the way, if you want to compare designs, consider Samsung’s Picture Frame from 2006–four years before Apple released the iPad. Look familiar?

    I have an iPhone 4S. I like it. It does lots of cool things. I’m a long-time Mac user–my first Mac was a Macintosh. It works very well. I’ve been an Apple developer for more than 20 years.

    But if you prefer Android or Windows, that’s fine, too. Android devices have some advantages. For example, want to play a movie stored on your iPad on your TV? You need to buy a $35 cable or a $99 Apple TV. Most tablets–and some Android phones–have DVI output built-in.

    • jfutral

      Some ambiguous article about some ambiguous company (which, BTW, says the iPhone 4s is outselling the Samsung on the Christmas rush) using some ambiguous metrics for one country. Which month? The iPhone 4s (which is the model the article references) was only released Oct 14.

      But whatever. Torture the numbers long enough, they’ll confess to anything. Apple’s iPhone is still the single best selling smartphone across the board, bar none. You might find some country for some short period of time (usually just before the next iPhone model is about to be released as people hold off buying), but that is usually a short lived victory. When the final count is in, iPhone wins. For now.

      But whatever. As you say, it really has no bearing on what device a consumer should use. I prefer iPhone to any Samsung. I actually prefer Windows Mobile to any Android device. I don’t know who said anything about number of sales meaning something is better. Nor did anyone bring up revenue. Nice little straw men to fight. I’m sure you won. If it helps you, I’ll even say you win.

      Joe

  • Damien

    One major point, we must remember that samsung actually makes the ipad the iphone and mac hardware… So if u like apple or samsung you probably shouldnt put the other down.

  • mex

    “The iPhone actually is the best seller in its category. No single Samsung device outsells the iPhone.”

    If Apple instead of only one worn-out 4S , offered 3 models this year, no one of them could be best seller now!

    And at least 2 Samsung’s devices would outsell every one of them.

  • coco

    if the iphone was a superior device it would have received the most pretigious award – the T3 International World’s Best Phone award but which phone did instead? Samsung Galaxy S2. Not to mention, in the UK, the Galaxy S2 swiped 5 out of the 10 categories of awards, and the most innovative phone award went to LG….iphone won NOTHING. zip. read people, i mean read OUTSIDE of iSource, maccult, apple insider. seriously, the WORLD knows this but NOT americans. it’s ignorant and ridiculous.

  • coco

    one more thing – those pictures up there, did you get any of the phones that were marketed outside of the united states?? and the pix of the tablets…yes samsung did it before apple – so where are these claims of copying coming from? oh, the front camera….innovation????? it’s not innovation if the world and samsung has been doing it for 8 years!

  • NickT

    I’d have given up the argument after she said you can delete messages on gmail unlike the iPhone. You CAN delete messages from gmail. It’s an option in mail account preferences if you add a gmail account.. ‘archive messages: off’

    • brian

      You can also hit the 2nd button (move) then touch Trash.

  • Pretty much pointless

    Let them love what they like. So what if you managed to convince non apple user that apple is better, they can have 1001 reasons why they decided otherwise. As far as I am concern, I am a happy apple customer that have little to complain about. Time will tell who made a better choice.

    Samsung is wasting my time to ponder over why they copy rather than innovate. I am learnt in the way of creation that surpass replication. I am learnt in that I need to be truthful to myself. That is good enough for me to create the world I want it to be.

  • brady

    There is no one best phone. I’m an android user (use to be an iphone 4 owner) but it just wasn’t cutting it for me, the size of the screen was just too small for my slightly larger than normal hands. It was a pain to type on. I feel more at home with a 4.3inch screen now. The fact of the matter though is people have different taste and different requirements. For one person they may require the best camera in a phone possible, for another, the ability to do something specific.

    Then there’s the aspect that most measurements are purely opinions. The only thing left after opinions really is specs, which the iphone does not win majority of the time. But I would still argue that the iphone is a great phone, but it depends on what you want.

  • Dennis

    I have the IPhone 4 and think highly of it. My opinion is based what it does to benefit me in my daily life. Sales numbers mean nothing to me. I really dont care who invented what or when. So far the IPhone has been good for me. That said, I’ve recently pondered switching to the SII or the HTC Vivid. I like the ability to add storage with a 32gb microSD card as well as some of the “widgets” you can add to the home screen for ease. Most of all I like the bigger screen. It’s just easier to see things fast and manipulate with bigger fingers. Every time Apple comes out with a few changes there’s this brass band affair and I think for the most part, unwarranted. When the 5 comes out it had better be a step up of some proportion or I just may be switching.

  • WinTard

    It’s a great article which I appreciated except for the pictures of before / after. I must take exception.

    Please consider Apple’s claims regarding the “slavishly copied” are only claims, not proven in reality, nor in any court of law.

    As a matter of fact, time will tell soon enough who is copying, and who is lying? This will be proved beyond a doubt in various legal courts across the world.

    Please not the absence of brand or affiliation thus bias in the above statement.

    Now for my exception to your otherwise fine article:

    1.Please google samsung photoframe 2006 and view images.

    Now if you could rationally explain how come the Samsung Photoframe tablet released in 2006 looks identical to the iPad2?

    2.Please google LG Prada and view the wiki.

    You will note the LG Prada was the first multitouch capacitive smartphone released before the original iPhone and won numerous design awards.

    Looking at the dates and prior art aspects, it would appear to me that Apple is copying others, tweaks it slightly, then claims it as their own original invention. Furthermore then Apple becomes a patent-troll patenting trivial designs with prior art existing and sues everybody. That to me is what I consider stealing and punching below the belt.

    Alas Steve’s RDF is rapidly fading away, in direct correlation with his departure.

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    We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas.
    ~ Steve Jobs

  • Jordan

    I would say I’m pretty unbiased on brand in general. I tend to buy what I like the most at the time. 2 years ago I bought an iphone and a few months later I bought an imac. I did this because the iphone was a lot better than the other phones out at the time, and vista was terrible.

    Now, I almost exclusively use windows 7 on my imac because I like it more and I just sold my iphone 4 and got a Samsung s2 skyrocket because I like it more.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with Apple, dont get me wrong. I would also say they are more innovative than other companies. However, this doesn’t mean I owe them! I feel like a lot of people buy Apple now because they’ve literally created the smartphone and tablet markets. This would be like someone only buying Ford because they made the first car.

    If Samsung makes a better phone, even if it is an improved copy, I’m going to buy that. I like the bigger screen (4.5 inch, and yet it weighs less than a 4s), I like the fact I can do anything with android (widgets, live wallpapers, themes, custom launchers, Flash) and I’m not being told how to use my device. All in all, I made the leap away from the iphone 3g and iphone 4 that I had over the last 3 years to the skyrocket (w/ 4g LTE) and I like the skyrocket more. I guess I’m not original, but it’s still really cool.

  • jfutral

    Also, according to MS at CES two years ago, the Slate was “invented” (if that is even correct) by Microsoft and HP trying to beat Apple to the punch. That product never was released or was killed shortly after.

    Shortbread cookies are my favourite to eat. Chocolate chip is my favourite to make.

    Joe

  • john

    Your iPhone has Samsung parts.Not the other way around.The next Iphone or ipad will be worse with out Samsung in my opinion.