Comments on: Tweetie 2: ‘New App’ – Will Spit On Existing ‘Old App’ Users https://isource.com/2009/09/28/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/ #1 Source for iPad, iPhone, iPod, Mac and AppleTV Thu, 14 Oct 2010 22:10:03 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.6 By: James https://isource.com/2009/09/28/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/#comment-26133 Sat, 21 Aug 2010 08:20:32 +0000 http://isource.com/iphone-software/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/%20#comment-26133 In reply to patrickj.

You sound like a broken record. How many times are you going to bring up the same tired argument?

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By: Densey https://isource.com/2009/09/28/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/#comment-26132 Sat, 21 Aug 2010 05:57:26 +0000 http://isource.com/iphone-software/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/%20#comment-26132 Think of it this way. If he can't charge for upgrades and he's not going to brand it a new app and charge for this massive upgrade, then guess what: this upgrade wouldn't exist. He would just keep fixing the small bugs and doing as little FREE work on the app as possible. Get it?

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By: The App Store Effect: Are iPhone Apps Headed for Oblivion? » Human Interface Systems https://isource.com/2009/09/28/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/#comment-15044 Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:52:41 +0000 http://isource.com/iphone-software/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/%20#comment-15044 […] his app is the darling of the tech press, and has hundreds of great user reviews, he’s being lambasted for charging three measly dollars for a high-quality app that people will use again and again and […]

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By: patrickj https://isource.com/2009/09/28/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/#comment-14765 Mon, 19 Oct 2009 00:32:14 +0000 http://isource.com/iphone-software/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/%20#comment-14765 In reply to Generous B*****d.

Oh gosh. You sir nailed it, bang to rights. That must be it – I am a tight barsteward. That'd be why, as I explained in the comments, in other posts on this very subject, and in many posts here generally, I have happily paid $15 for the desktop version of Tweetie, $9.99 for the Things iPhone app and several others in that price bracket, $49 for the Things Mac version, and have happily paid $3 and upwards for countless iPhone apps, including jailbreak apps as well. Oh yeah, and lived a dozen years in the UK in the heart of a major pub society – never bought anyone a drink there – real popular guy me.

Yes sir, you truly sussed out the real reason behind my posting.

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By: Generous B*****d https://isource.com/2009/09/28/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/#comment-14764 Mon, 19 Oct 2009 00:17:43 +0000 http://isource.com/iphone-software/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/%20#comment-14764 I don't normally form such a strong opinion of people based on a mere ten paragraphs but you, sir, are tight.
I don't mean that in a, "damn, that's tight" slang sense of the word, either. I mean that in a, "you never buy your friends drinks, you tight b******d?" sense of the word.

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By: russdogg https://isource.com/2009/09/28/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/#comment-14682 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 06:05:15 +0000 http://isource.com/iphone-software/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/%20#comment-14682 All i can say is, I bought both versions and haven't regretted it for a second. Now if I could only get my money back for the T-pain app…

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By: RESASON https://isource.com/2009/09/28/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/#comment-14678 Sat, 17 Oct 2009 04:30:53 +0000 http://isource.com/iphone-software/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/%20#comment-14678 THREE DOLLARS

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By: Josh Gard https://isource.com/2009/09/28/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/#comment-14651 Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:57:50 +0000 http://isource.com/iphone-software/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/%20#comment-14651 Dude, have you even read the follow up posts and comments that Patrick has written after this post?!? Obviously not, it's been mentioned MANY times that it's NOT about the price, but the lack of an upgrade model with the App Store. Not a stab at Atebits, but more highlighting the lack of an upgrade purchase for apps. No where has Patrick EVER said he expects Twitter 2 to be given to him for free.

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By: The App Store Effect: Are iPhone Apps Headed for Oblivion? [IPhone Apps] « Tech Pulse! https://isource.com/2009/09/28/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/#comment-14647 Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:06:55 +0000 http://isource.com/iphone-software/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/%20#comment-14647 […] his app is the darling of the tech press, and has hundreds of great user reviews, he’s being lambasted for charging three measly dollars for a high-quality app that people will use again and again and […]

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By: danielmichael https://isource.com/2009/09/28/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/#comment-14489 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:12:25 +0000 http://isource.com/iphone-software/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/%20#comment-14489 In reply to Shobizz3000.

You're a moron. If you reduce any argument far enough, you'll find a way for it to make sense. Early modernist Adolph Loos famous essay, “Crime and Ornament” in which he notes that Papuans and criminals have tattoos and concludes that any ornamentation is criminal, is my favorite example but you could also look to any number of early femininist manifestos relating the penis to men's desire to subjugate women.
It's not about Adobe or Madden football. Its about Atebits and Tweetie 2, which is quite simply one of the best programs written for the iPhone. My hunch is that you have no idea how much work it takes to write software. If it's not worth $3 to you, don't buy it, simple as that.

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By: Alastair https://isource.com/2009/09/28/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/#comment-14473 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:32:32 +0000 http://isource.com/iphone-software/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/%20#comment-14473 In reply to Wayne Schulz.

What if the world collapsed in on itself? What if Apple shut down the App Store? What if the price of chicken quadrupled in price? Any more "what ifs"? Your argument isn't an argument because ALL apps AREN'T suddenly being released as brand new apps in their new version.

This is the author of this post being a cheap/selfish bastard.

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By: Recommended: Marc’s ‘In Support of Tweetie’ Post at JAMM | Just Another iPhone Blog https://isource.com/2009/09/28/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/#comment-14371 Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:13:49 +0000 http://isource.com/iphone-software/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/%20#comment-14371 […] … as many of you know, I was far from impressed when I first heard of the plans for Tweetie 2 as a brand new app, rather than an update to the […]

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By: Sal https://isource.com/2009/09/28/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/#comment-14179 Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:22:42 +0000 http://isource.com/iphone-software/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/%20#comment-14179 I can't agree with this but can appreciate the ideology behind 'upgrades' and 'full versions'. Personally, in this case, it doesn't apply to the structure of iPhone apps. Some might say it's not right to be charged, even if they are fairly affluent enough to have an iPhone, etc.

I think it's perfectly acceptable t charge for Tweetie 2 and I don't mind one bit doing so and I will be. For me, it's not principles or loyalty to the Mac/iPhone platform or the small developer but because it's a very good app and worth it.

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By: GNC-2009-10-02 #516 Taking the Show on the Road - Geek News Central https://isource.com/2009/09/28/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/#comment-14033 Fri, 02 Oct 2009 09:01:48 +0000 http://isource.com/iphone-software/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/%20#comment-14033 […] Listener Links: RawVoice.com New Site do you like it? AP going to go rogue on all of us? Carbon Buildup? CNN charging for iPhone App? Flickr Videos from a Listener ArtPrize Tweetie wants more Money? […]

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By: Chris https://isource.com/2009/09/28/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/#comment-14030 Fri, 02 Oct 2009 06:25:26 +0000 http://isource.com/iphone-software/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/%20#comment-14030 OK, maybe I'm getting confused by the "it's only £3 – get a life"ers, but since its all about the principle, here's where I'm struggling:

1. you want an upgrade to be offered at a discount price, even though the App Store can't do this.
2. because you cant get the pricing model YOU want for this App (because of Apple, not Tweetie btw) you want Tweetie 2 for free.
3. You believe that when you purchased Tweetie 1, there was some commitment made to provide any new features at a later date either for free (since the App Store can't do discounts)
4. You challenge that Tweetie 2 is a new app, even though it is completely new code.

I think I must've misunderstood the principle at some point because all the above looks pretty weak, as a principle.

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By: Jeremy B https://isource.com/2009/09/28/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/#comment-13972 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 05:53:31 +0000 http://isource.com/iphone-software/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/%20#comment-13972 What a tragic loser.

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By: Owen https://isource.com/2009/09/28/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/#comment-13956 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 00:28:24 +0000 http://isource.com/iphone-software/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/%20#comment-13956 You are SO RIGHT!! I bought a Radiohead's "Kid A" CD on the day it came out, and that money kept them in crack and hookers for years. But when I went to pick up my copy of "Rainbows", I had to pay for it!! How outrageous. I had contributed to their success by buying their albums, and all they do is spit in my face by making me pay for the next one. I mean, It is still a mucis CD for **** sake.
It's not the price, I can easily afford CDs, it's the principle. They wouldn't be so popular except for the people who bought their CDs, so why should we have to pay for their next CD? It's crazy.

Dude. Really. Get over it. The guy is trying to make a living, this is how it's done. Don't want the new version? Don't buy it.

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By: Douglas https://isource.com/2009/09/28/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/#comment-13947 Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:54:05 +0000 http://isource.com/iphone-software/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/%20#comment-13947 I buy Football Manager every year. The game is basically an upgrade from the previous years. I do the same for other games on the PS3 like Fight Night. Complaining about this would be like me complaining about these annual updates despite the effort others have put into them. I really dont feel spat upon. Grow up. If you dont want it dont buy it.

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By: Which would you pay for on the iPhone: apps or content? @ Technology News https://isource.com/2009/09/28/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/#comment-13937 Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:15:44 +0000 http://isource.com/iphone-software/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/%20#comment-13937 […] It’s outraged a number of people, such as Just Another iPhone Blog (call them JAIB), which says Tweetie 2 will “spit on existing old app users” on the grounds that “the whole ‘it’s a completely new app’ argument seems […]

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By: dewjose https://isource.com/2009/09/28/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/#comment-13926 Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:55:33 +0000 http://isource.com/iphone-software/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/%20#comment-13926 Ugh…. Damn it Apple…

This has nothing to do with Pricing or "PRINCIPAL".

This is all about the monster that Apple has created with their broken pricing model/facility has generated over 100 million overly "entitled" users.

As the developer of a "Free" application I can assure you that this same sense of entitlement exists in that arena as well.

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By: dewjose https://isource.com/2009/09/28/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/#comment-13925 Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:50:41 +0000 http://isource.com/iphone-software/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/%20#comment-13925 In reply to Shobizz3000.

Your argument makes NONSENSE.

You are not entitled to anything other than what is guaranteed in the contract between you and the developer/company.

He has every right to cash in again on a better implementation and new features to a twitter client.

You are entitled to one thing: your choice "to" or "not to" buy the app.

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By: Metanaut https://isource.com/2009/09/28/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/#comment-13919 Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:08:14 +0000 http://isource.com/iphone-software/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/%20#comment-13919 In reply to patrickj.

Yes, seriously! I did read the article (which is basically a rant) and the comments. I responded specifically to this one.

Understand the developer's possibilities here. The comment I responded to demands "reciprocation" (but doesn't suggest any ideas) and the way the App Store is currently designed, the developer must either:

1. Provide Version 2 as a free update upon the current store presence for Version 1. No money collected from the loyal owners of Version 1, which a number of people here believe wouldn't be fair to the developer.

2. Provide Version 2 as what the App Store would consider a separate application, so that it can be sold to all users for one price: $3.00. Here is the source of the outrage, apparently?

Granted, Free upgrades for life were not the request. But given the possibilities, what reciprocation do you propose that would satisfy you and other loyal customers? Should the developer cut you a check for the difference between the full and upgrade costs? Just curious.

The latter of the two possibilities above is a calculated risk for the developer, perhaps, of alienating this emerging new demographic that furiously wants something back on a three-dollar product that seems to be highly-valued by its users and that they are otherwise happy with (guessing… we're all here caring about this, right?). I would be similarly outraged if we were talking about a $100, $50, or even $10 application, but we're not and there is a difference. It's three dollars. Or even less if what you're fighting for is the different between three dollars and whatever reciprocation you'd be seeking.

Again, I suggest that it does matter how excellent the app is. $3.00 for the progress this developer is making on Tweetie is worth it to me and more than fair because I find it to be an excellent application. "Your mileage may vary?"

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By: Tweetie 2 Pricing Controversy: An Interview with Tweetie’s Creator | Just Another iPhone Blog https://isource.com/2009/09/28/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/#comment-13916 Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:04:30 +0000 http://isource.com/iphone-software/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/%20#comment-13916 […] in case you missed it, I posted earlier this week about the new Tweetie 2 iPhone Twitter app that will soon be coming to the App Store, and my negative reaction to the fact that it is coming […]

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By: patrickj https://isource.com/2009/09/28/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/#comment-13911 Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:12:11 +0000 http://isource.com/iphone-software/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/%20#comment-13911 In reply to Metanaut.

"You're suggesting that this developer provide to you all of his future work on this application for free? "

Seriously???? Jeez – read the post, read this comments thread (in several places). Read something before offering your .01. I have not ever argued for free upgrades. Not free upgrades forever, not even free upgrades for this specifc app being talked about.

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By: Metanaut https://isource.com/2009/09/28/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/#comment-13910 Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:27:11 +0000 http://isource.com/iphone-software/tweetie-2-new-app-will-spit-on-existing-old-app-users/%20#comment-13910 In reply to Luis.

First, it does matter how excellent the app is. That goes to answer the question, "How much is it worth to you?" If three dollars is more than you can bear, one should conclude: "Not enough." It's not like you have to buy Version 2, or Version 1 will suddenly stop working.

Second, you're demanding some sort of "reciprocation" for "the loyal ones to keep … sales going". Truth is, you paid all of three dollars and the reciprocation is a software application that you apparently use and care about. That is called a sales transaction, separate and aside from whatever follows. No promise was made. You're suggesting that this developer provide to you all of his future work on this application for free? How precisely does that keep sales going for him? Maybe this would have you not recommending this developer's work and discouraging others from buying it? All I can say is… there's a lot revealed about people in the battles they choose. That really must be the most important three dollars you ever spent.

It's not like this app costed $100, $50, or even $10. So while people are barking about "not the cost but the principle", they are overlooking the ridiculous "race to the bottom" that is the App Store economy that developers must find their place in. To me, it is well worth another three dollars to support and keep this developer doing what he does.

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