Comments on: Calm Down, Everyone; Your iPhone Is Not Enabling Stalkers Or Big Brother [Updated] https://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/ #1 Source for iPad, iPhone, iPod, Mac and AppleTV Wed, 25 May 2011 21:08:49 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.6 By: Sen. Franken Requests that Apple and Google Make Privacy Policies More Clear for Apps | iSource https://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-36058 Wed, 25 May 2011 21:08:49 +0000 http://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-36058 […] all know by now, both Apple and Google gave testimony to congress regarding mobile privacy, after a story broke wherein it was found that both platforms were cacheing Wi-Fi and 3G data longer than […]

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By: Surprise, Surprise! Apple Called to Second Senate Hearing Regarding Privacy | iSource https://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-35731 Tue, 17 May 2011 17:34:14 +0000 http://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-35731 […] week after Apple and Google testified at a similarly themed hearing regarding location tracking. A controversy which was blown open when it was discovered that iOS and Android devices were crowdsourceing WiFi […]

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By: Apple and Google Testify to U.S. Senate Subcommittee | iSource https://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-35478 Tue, 10 May 2011 19:04:21 +0000 http://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-35478 […] for software technology, while Google sent Alan Davidson.First the background: As you may know, controversy broke out last month when it was found that the iPhone was storing (albeit vague) location data. […]

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By: iOS 4.3.3 Firmware Update Out – Addresses Location Database ‘Bugs’ | The Bob Clark https://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-35328 Thu, 05 May 2011 15:03:26 +0000 http://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-35328 […] update provides fixes for issues with the now-infamous location database on iPad and other iOS devices. Here are the specific changes it brings: The update contains changes […]

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By: iOS 4.3.3 Firmware Update Out – Addresses Location Database ‘Bugs’ — iPad Insight https://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-35300 Wed, 04 May 2011 20:19:14 +0000 http://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-35300 […] iTunes, having been released earlier today by Apple.This update provides fixes for issues with the now-infamous location database on iPad and other iOS devices. Here are the specific changes it brings:The update contains changes […]

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By: iOS 4.3.3 Released – Fixes Location Database Bugs | iSource https://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-35295 Wed, 04 May 2011 18:34:33 +0000 http://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-35295 […] touch (3rd generation)I’ve got my iPhone 4 jailbroken right now, and I’m with Joe as far as ‘much ado about nothing’ on the location DB, so I’ll hold off on updating the iPhone for now. I have just updated my […]

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By: Analysis: Apple’s Explanation Of Why Consolidated.db Stores What It Stores | iSource https://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-34977 Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:13:04 +0000 http://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-34977 […] with their response to “LocationGate”.  At the time that this whole matter came to light, I performed an analysis in which I concluded that this was much ado about nothing, and after reading Apple’s statement, I […]

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By: Joe Tomasone https://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-34821 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 17:34:13 +0000 http://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-34821 @stontuna: OK, let me turn this around on you:

So… According to two researchers who tested only their own phones and didn’t perform any analysis of the data besides plotting all of the lat/longs in an attempt to validate their conclusions, there is a giant conspiracy on Apple’s part to track you for potentially nefarious purposes?

Sure…

As an aside, I’ve been in the information security space for well over 10 years, and while I do not normally publish my findings, they have been published, as a decent Google search would uncover. I’m far from an amateur. But hey – thanks for taking the time to assume that I was!

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By: stontuna https://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-34811 Fri, 22 Apr 2011 06:18:39 +0000 http://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-34811 So.. according to an amateur analysis of a single phone’s data posted on an Apple fan site, everything is fine. Nevermind the professional security researchers who clearly state that this is a violation of privacy and demonstrated that it can be quite accurate in their own tests. Nevermind that the real issue isn’t whether the iPhone does a good job of tracking you, but that it was programmed to do such a thing in the first place.

Sure….

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By: Joe Tomasone https://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-34783 Thu, 21 Apr 2011 15:55:13 +0000 http://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-34783 @Peter:
1. True, but I highly doubt that data as subjective as this would be of any use in a court proceeding. Again, to take the example of my trip to New York, my phone asserts that I was in 111 different places at the exact same second. What judge would permit this as evidence?

2. I was referring to “sneaky” attempts to extract the data without your knowledge by Apple (or whomever), as the articles all seem to be implying that Apple is doing something nefarious. However, on the subject of Law Enforcement, they could also grab Google Maps history (or that of any GPS app you have), results from Yelp or other location-aware apps, etc. If I were to perform a through forensic analysis of your iPhone, I’m sure I could paint a reasonable picture of your activities even if the consolidated.db file didn’t exist.

3. I disagree. While I admittedly do not know what the data is actually used for, I’m not sure that Apple (or any manufacturer) needs to explain every last part of a product’s operation (especially technical aspects) to all of its customers on the basis that they someone might object. Quite frankly, I’m willing to bet that lots of heads in Cupertino are shaking in disbelief that this whole thing is even being treated as an issue by anyone, let alone making the rounds of the media as some dire threat to your privacy.

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By: Peter Jansen https://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-34782 Thu, 21 Apr 2011 15:36:37 +0000 http://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-34782 You’re missing the point:
1. People have been convicted upon proving that they: “have been in the area”
2. The data stays NOT under my control, in case the police reads out my device while circumventing my password ( see iPhoneDownloadblog) on Michigan state police
3. Users should have been made aware if this process

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By: Joe Tomasone https://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-34779 Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:48:26 +0000 http://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-34779 In reply to Blaise Kal.

True, but you have the option of encrypted backups.

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By: Branislav Vartik https://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-34774 Thu, 21 Apr 2011 09:10:58 +0000 http://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-34774 Nice sum-up. Thanks.

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By: Blaise Kal https://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-34772 Thu, 21 Apr 2011 08:11:55 +0000 http://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-34772 “4. The data stays under your control”

For every software to access, also accidental viruses, spyware, adware, etc.

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By: Michael Brennan https://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-34771 Thu, 21 Apr 2011 08:01:27 +0000 http://isource.com/2011/04/20/calm-down-everyone-your-iphone-is-not-enabling-stalkers-or-big-brother/#comment-34771 Well done for providing such an mature and smart analysis of this data. Rather than wildly speculate on the probability of some mad conspiracy plot, you presented a well thought out argument as to the validity of this data. It would be interesting to see if other mobile OS such as Android do the same. Hats of to you.

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