Comments on: The HP TouchPad: BetaMax for a New Generation (Updated) https://isource.com/2011/08/22/the-hp-touchpad-betamax-for-a-new-generation/ #1 Source for iPad, iPhone, iPod, Mac and AppleTV Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:47:57 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.4.6 By: iSource Picks of the Week | iSource https://isource.com/2011/08/22/the-hp-touchpad-betamax-for-a-new-generation/#comment-38697 Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:47:57 +0000 http://isource.com/?p=42619#comment-38697 […] notified when it becomes available and be ready to act fast when you get a response.As I said in my synopsis of the device earlier this week, even if webOS comes to early end, the device is still an amazing value at these […]

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By: Brandon https://isource.com/2011/08/22/the-hp-touchpad-betamax-for-a-new-generation/#comment-38586 Tue, 23 Aug 2011 03:45:18 +0000 http://isource.com/?p=42619#comment-38586 “With an instant installed base of up to 250,000 in a few weeks, it is possible that HP may have just paid $100 million to purchase an ecosystem.”

I thought the same thing. It’s a brilliant move if it was planned, but its a fool’s move if they don’t try to capitalize on the situation. Apple makes millions (est. $250-500m) per year off the app store for hosting, curation and bandwidth of applications. There’s a lot of work involved, but a majority of what they make from the store is easy money. They don’t have to write the apps, they just have to sell them. If HP doesn’t look at what they’ve done and realize that they can subsidize the cost of the device (sell at a loss like MS did with XBox) but still make money on the back end through app sales – they’re nuts.

Look, if anything this just showed Google what they can (and should do) with Motorola. I buy Apple products because they are the best thing on the market hands down. But, if you showed me a Galaxy S II side by side with an iPhone 5 and told me the Galaxy is $200 off contract, but the iPhone cost $699 – I’m taking the Galaxy.

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By: jhrogersii https://isource.com/2011/08/22/the-hp-touchpad-betamax-for-a-new-generation/#comment-38583 Tue, 23 Aug 2011 02:43:59 +0000 http://isource.com/?p=42619#comment-38583 That sounds about right, and it’s what I feared when HP bought Palm. Suits messing up products by not letting the engineers do what they are paid to do. Thats something that really sets Apple and Google apart from most tech companies. They have engineers, programmers, and designers actually making the decisions.

I do find it interesting that HP came out and made a statement that they are going to keep using webOS, at least in printers and laptops, and that they will continue to update the TouchPad and Veer. I don’t how much we can trust this, but it is curious.

Chris Ziegler had a great write-up on the TouchPad fire sale earlier today (http://thisismynext.com/2011/08/22/hp-touchpad-99-in-your-words/) where he asked 50 people who purchased the TouchPad at the reduced price why they did it. The findings were definitely interesting. I highly recommend taking a look at it, if you have a chance.

I have seen where a few different tech writers today have wondered out loud whether this was either a stunt by HP (highly unlikely), or possibly an eyeopener for their brass that webOS still has legs. Ziegler’s findings that many who purchased it want it to run webOS, rather than to hack it with Android, and that a large number would have paid more for it were surprising. With an instant installed base of up to 250,000 in a few weeks, it is possible that HP may have just paid $100 million to purchase an ecosystem. In my opinion, it is completely accidental, but hopefully they will still take advantage.

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By: Brandon https://isource.com/2011/08/22/the-hp-touchpad-betamax-for-a-new-generation/#comment-38578 Tue, 23 Aug 2011 01:30:39 +0000 http://isource.com/?p=42619#comment-38578 I forget where I read the posting (think is was @gruber and some forum posts) but long story short here – this isn’t a failure of webOS or the team that put the OS onto the hardware. The first failure was the hardware team didn’t get to actually choose the hardware – it was done by non-technical marketing and executive types. There was no matching of the OS to what the engineers wanted to run it on. The second failure was at the very top. The CEO in charge of HP (Apotheker) doesn’t know the first thing about being successful in the consumer market. He ran SAP which the average consumer couldn’t tell you first thing about. Apotheker is an enterprise level guy and that’s it – a one trick pony if you will. So the guy at the helm doesn’t know anything about the market, and didn’t give a damn about the market. I’m sure in his eyes there’s not enough profit in it to be worthwhile.

The TouchPad died long before it ever hit the market – iPad or no iPad – it was doomed because the people at the top didn’t care about it enough to make it successful.

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By: jhrogersii https://isource.com/2011/08/22/the-hp-touchpad-betamax-for-a-new-generation/#comment-38576 Tue, 23 Aug 2011 00:59:32 +0000 http://isource.com/?p=42619#comment-38576 I thought about that one. However, they were fairly equal formats, if I recall. In fact, Blu Ray disks hold 30GB more than HD DVDs. I think webOS is superior to Windows Phone, at least until Mango is released, and is FAR superior to the ancient Blackberry OS. That’s just my opinion, though.

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By: Sb https://isource.com/2011/08/22/the-hp-touchpad-betamax-for-a-new-generation/#comment-38574 Tue, 23 Aug 2011 00:35:10 +0000 http://isource.com/?p=42619#comment-38574 HDDVD VS. blu-ray

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By: jhrogersii https://isource.com/2011/08/22/the-hp-touchpad-betamax-for-a-new-generation/#comment-38550 Mon, 22 Aug 2011 19:30:59 +0000 http://isource.com/?p=42619#comment-38550 Rodrigo- I do realize that the comparison is a bit apples to oranges, but I’ve used the iPad extensively for media consumption and other battery intensive tasks for a year and a half now. You can stream audio and video on an iPad in a variety of ways, regardless of the lack of Flash support. Playing graphically intensive games for hours can tax the iPad’s battery in a similar manner, as well.

As for the TouchPad, I wanted to put it through a thorough test, and doing that means using its primary features. Being able to view Flash content in the native web browser is a primary feature. In my use over the course of three days, the TouchPad’s battery life isn’t as impressive as my iPad 2’s under similar heavy use. If the Touchpad was still $450, that would be a big problem. At $99-$150, not so much. It’s good, just not great.

Like the rest of the article, though, this is all just my opinion on the device from the perspective of an iOS user. It’s not meant to be a scientific study. It’s for those readers of the site who know Apple products, but might be interested in the TouchPad at the currently reduced prices. I compared the TouchPad to the iPad because it provides a frame of reference for those of us who are familiar with it as our primary device.

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By: Rodrigo https://isource.com/2011/08/22/the-hp-touchpad-betamax-for-a-new-generation/#comment-38549 Mon, 22 Aug 2011 19:10:41 +0000 http://isource.com/?p=42619#comment-38549 How can u compare battery life of the touchpad “heavy viewing of flash” and claiming the iPad beats it, of course it will since there’s no flash on the iPad

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By: jhrogersii https://isource.com/2011/08/22/the-hp-touchpad-betamax-for-a-new-generation/#comment-38544 Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:38:34 +0000 http://isource.com/?p=42619#comment-38544 In reply to WJ.

I’m not saying that WebOS should have beaten out either iOS or Android. I think Palm had a real opportunity to get traction before Android took off, but they squandered it. Who knows if they could have kept up even if they had, but the opportunity was there.

The real BetaMax comparison comes in right now. HP should have curb stomped the Playbook and Windows Phone. They had a head start on both, and as paltry as their App Catalog is, they had more apps than either of those platforms did last year. Now WebOS will probably disappear, RIM will probably never get QNX right, and Windows Phone is just now really catching up, and will never get put on a tablet. We will end up with another version 1.0 product in Windows 8 with a tablet skin next year. Oh goody. Just what mobile needs. More products that aren’t ready for prime time.

Those are the cheaper and less featured alternatives winning out because HP didn’t get the business side of things taken care of. They had a good OS to work with and killed it with bad decisions.

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By: WJ https://isource.com/2011/08/22/the-hp-touchpad-betamax-for-a-new-generation/#comment-38542 Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:28:20 +0000 http://isource.com/?p=42619#comment-38542 I don’t think the comparison works. VHS vs Beta was an actual competition that could have gone either way. That situation saw the cheaper and less fully-featured offering win. Not. Even. Close.

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